Seeking opinions on tipping

I’m confused by your statement. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you. We dictate the floor—the minimum wage.

They’d get in trouble for this if they tried it for positions that aren’t customarily tipped.

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You are suppose to tip daily because it could be different staff every day. This just makes tipping a bigger pain of courses because you have to have a week’s worth of fives.

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Correct but we dont say servers have to make this, managers have to make this, bartenders have to make this. Its a set minimum wage. I was speaking on doing away with the tipping and going to a business paid wage. I was saying it would be extremely difficult because we would have to come together as a country and agree on a wage standard informally but collectively.

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This is how free market competition works.

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Yes the floor, but we do not dictate what each “position” must be paid at a minimum. Like barbers must be paid this, bartenders must be paid this, nurses must be paid this. Servers make much more than minimum wage. In order to do away with tipping we would have to collectively as a country or state agree on what the average salary should be and then have businesses pay those wages.

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No, market competition would dictate what wages companies would need to pay to recruit and retain formerly-tipped employees—just as it does for all employees.

This is how I see it: Federal government eliminates the lower minimum wage for tipped employees, forcing restaurants (and some other businesses) to pay the standard minimum to all employees. So now a restaurant needs to raise prices to stay afloat because their labor costs are higher, and since they’re halfway there they decide to hell with it, let’s just raise prices and wages all the way up to the level needed to institute a no-tipping policy. I’m sure I’m missing some nuances but I can’t see why this is so out of the question.

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It would relieve a bit of tax burden to the employee. The employer doesn’t have to pay their portion of medicare and social security on tips but it still has to be paid. The employer benefits from this substandard minimum wage. The only reason that employer is able to get away with it is because there is a law saying he can pay his employee below minimum wage because the businesses patrons tip the employee. And on top of this, not all employers are diligent when reporting tips on W-2s. My step daughter had to “tip out” in the evenings but was getting reported for the entire amount tipped on the check. That’s not fair. I do her taxes and questioned her how much had been reported. The manager at the time said, oh, it’s not that much, don’t worry about it. It was 20% of tips each night. We emailed cooperate and it was fixed with an apology and an excuse about a new accounting system. I digress.

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On the contrary, this is a big part of how evil the whole tipping system is.

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I wonder if there is a list somewhere. Who’s to say what is customarily tipped. There are so many in the service industry that receive tips. Servers and bartenders, maybe casino dealers, get a much larger percentage in tips. I guess they could get in trouble if it’s clear cut. But they should just do away with it all together and have every business required to pay every employee, at a minimum, the same set minimum wage. If you don’t want to do that, make them an independent contractor. Now, you can’t dictate things to an independent contractor like you would an employee. That’s a whole nother topic though, lol.

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This country can barely agree on the color of the sky at this point. Maybe soon, things will change for the better. But look at the turn this thread took…

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Well, the OP did seek “opinions on tipping.” :rofl:

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I’ll say. Another way businesses screw their employees. Don’t get me started.

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I love it in theory. But getting there is a mountain I just don’t think is climbable… at the moment. That industry is still recovering. I think you do away with that minimum first. This won’t stop people from tipping. Businesses adjust and hopefully go to a “gratuity is included with the price” menu and compensate their servers properly. The business would be raising prices but the customer wouldn’t necessarily be paying more or much more. The original price didn’t include tip. The new price does. You would hopefully come out of pocket around a similar amount and the business owner would be paying it’s fair portion of medicare and social security taxes for their employee. Honestly this part seems so scammy to me. Independent contractors and sole proprietors have to pay this portion but in return get certain freedoms and liberties to do the job as they see fit.

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Agree, this isn’t the moment.

Exactly. Better than the way I said it, because while the end result is the same, they’re disguising the price hike as a service fee, making it easier to swallow because it seems more like the old tipping system.

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No, the OP said:

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It’s literally the thread title. :rofl:

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But the OP post was pretty clear, wasn’t it?

Titles are not posts.

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You’re absolutely right, somehow we forgot the ironclad forum rule that threads must never veer from the direction indicated in the OP. Sorry! :disappointed:

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No, I responded to your post that OP asked for opinions on tipping. I thought OP was looking for something else.

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Also, have you been missing my :rofl: ?

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