I get the inertia, but I don’t get why it should be complicated. Raise the wages of the service employees, raise the price of the service or product, and … what? Seems fairly straightforward to me.
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Maybe this is what will finally kill off the tipping system. I’ve actually wondered if it’s already happening on a small scale (not so much in restaurants but in other tipping situations).
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I interpreted the original post as a family discussion over if someone was over tipping. Some of us freely say, we over tip. It is not that we don’t understand.
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I am in a mood so I will admit I tip in the app, and cash.
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Doing both of those things at the same time requires a lot of cooperation across both state and federal government and the private sector. If one piece goes into place without the other, it would be a major problem. And that would be if all those parties could agree on what to do.
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All of my banking is electronic these days.
Yep - there are regular educator appreciation weeks and holdiay gifts and gift cards (additionally, I don’t actually sign a bill for them but my taxes do pay their salary.).
Well actually, the pricing transparency for heathcare in America is abysmal. Still.
Tipping is part of the current social contract. At that restaurant where they add the service fee? I don’t tip. But if someone provides a service to me, and under the current system I know that the way they get paid for providing that service is for me to tip, then I tip. I don’t mind a VAT instead of a sales tax. I would be fine with a different system other than tipping. I am only worried about someone in the restaurant industry paying their rent, because I am a socially contracted part of giving them a salary for the work they do for me.
Generally I like people to be able to pay their rent too.
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Everybody will freak out about inflation? (Not saying the end result is bad, just saying this will be the narrative pushed by everyone)
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The case could be made that tipping is one of the few things more Americans do agree on.
That we vary the % we tip is less of a consideration. It’s noise compared to the point that we do choose to tip.
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This is annoying now. I just don’t have the bills. And when I do it’s usually 20s. So it’s fun to the lobby and try and get change or I don’t tip. People are going to run around and start showing their Venmo for tips or maybe this is when the system will change.
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Actually, you should. Or ask for a refund.
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I second this! I was terrible in this regard. Time management waaayyy back then was not my strong suit. It does take a skill not everyone can manage. And its physically draining.
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I have a subway next door and occasionally order online for pick up. Before you check out it asks if you want to leave a tip… 15, 20, 25%, other. I get a no bread bowl or a single sandwich. 20% would be $2. Now that doesn’t sound like a lot but it takes just a few minutes to make my sandwich and I know the owner, he starts his employees out at $12/hr (for context, it’s more than a lot of fast food starting wages). If they made 9 sandwiches an hour and got a $2 tip per sandwich, they would be making more than me… to make a sandwich. It made me feel bad not to tip “the sandwich artist” until I started to think about it like that.
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Hand them a dozen eggs 
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Hey big spender!
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But you have to get an entire country on board. I don’t think this can or should be legislated, outside of doing away with the minimium wages for tipped employees. But then thats only gaurenteeing minimum wage.
Don’t get me wrong. Its a good concept over all. I would actually like to not tip and know the server is making decent, dependable money each day. But I bet many take a pay cut if this is implemented.
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Yes - it is ridiculous.
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I’m genuinely curious as to why this alone—eliminating the separate national minimum wage for tipped employees—wouldn’t get the ball rolling in the right direction.
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- I leave $50 in an envelope the last day (around $5/day)
- nah
- $5
- 20% is my normal practice, so not unless they’ve been amazing
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Alone, it wouldn’t work. But we do not, through legislation, dictate industry wages. And we shouldn’t. If we do away with tipping then obviously this minimum wage for tipped employees is irrelevant. But I also believe it should just be done away with all together. The business doesn’t pay the tips. The business should have to pay it’s employees minimum wage at a minimum just like every other business. If a customer tips, the business shouldn’t be able to assume credit toward their hourly pay because of it. Put a tip jar out and any business can try to use this rule to pay their employees the dismissal minimum wage for tipped employees. For context- LA minimum wage is $7.25 but for “cash/tipped” employees is $2.13.
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@ParkRanger another thing to consider is the employer gets out of paying a much larger chunk in employers responsibility to Medicare and SS on the employees behalf.
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