Coronavirus Outbreak: Is it safe to travel?

Wouldn’t it be just wild if you could list “COVD19 antibody positive” in your list of desired qualifications on your resume or job application?

That day may come, methinks. Crazy times, these are.

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I would say the stay at home orders have effected things. In my area, we have had one since 3/23. I work for our county government. Almost 300 people have been furloughed here because taxes have been pushed to July for all levels of government. The taxes were pushed off due to unemployment (furloughs, lay offs, small business closures) as a result of the stay-at-home orders. Our state has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country right now (PA). We also have one of the most stringent lockdowns in the country, even for our rural communities. So I blame the virus, but I also blame the stay at home order. I can understand why there are people protesting and scared for their families livelihood. I work with some of these people as part of my job. So while I don’t want anyone to die needlessly, I can understand where these people are coming from.

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The JBS plant here is supposed to open up again tomorrow. There have been employees on tv saying that as soon as the plant got national attention, they stopped testing. Hence, this is the way they are keeping C19 numbers down and claiming to be safe to reopen.

Multiple informed sources confirmed to Contact7 Investigates that JBS management stopped testing shortly after it started doing so on April 11 and well before its promise to test its 6,000 employees.
Insiders have told Contact7 Investigates that between 40% and 80% of managers/supervisors tested positive on the initial day of testing and those results prompted JBS to end the testing program.

“I believe when it became apparent that most of the supervisors tested positive JBS abruptly stopped the testing," said JBS Union President Kim Cordova.

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National Jewish in Denver developed all its own testing and started its own drive thru testing. They have been expanding, and now also expanding its antibody testing.

I’m considering it. You make an appt and pay online, so no miles of cars waiting. Of any health organizations in which I have high trust, National Jewish is right up there at the top of the list.

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Depending on how committed you want to be, but we recently dropped our Cable (kept our Internet) and instead subscribed to YouTubeTV, which provides access to local stations, plus a bunch of cable stations, for about $50/month. So you can stream live TV. Ultimately, it is significantly cheaper than cable…but if you aren’t paying for cable, it becomes an added cost…but you do get local channels (depending on your area).

I think there are some other streaming services that will also stream local channels, but for us, they didn’t offer what we wanted…YouTubeTV ended up the best option.

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Oof. The perverse incentives that would cause…

I wouldn’t blame companies or workers, but I just think of all the ways that could go wrong.

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Mousematt, I’m sorry that you’re feeling down. I get it. But, go ahead and to ADR day. There’s nothing like the adrenaline rush of frantically grabbing ADRs or FPP on your day! Even if the trip doesn’t happen the planning is still fun. I don’t regret the planning I did for our NYC spring break that didn’t happen b/c I can use the info later. Enjoy your (ADR) day. :slight_smile:

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That’s terrible if it’s true.

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That’s the part I am questioning. Were they the result of the orders or would those jobs have been eliminated in another week or so, after demand naturally dropped from people self-selecting to stay home? I guess we’ll never know.

It will be interesting to see what happens once states start opening back up. Once people are free to leave the house, will they? Or will they continue to stay home in unprecedented numbers.

And I definitely don’t blame the people angry about their lost income and livelihoods, just wonder if their anger isn’t somewhat misplaced.

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My mother has also been PIA rebellious. And not only is she in a vulnerable population by age (70+), she basically has every underlying condition - high blood pressure, diabetes, morbid obesity. She’s making me crazy. Well, or maybe crazier. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Getting tested is tempting for sure. Do you have any reason to think you had it?

We were in Orlando/WDW Feb 28-Mar 10, flying through crowded MCO and packed airplanes. I wasn’t sick afterwards, just a little tired with a slight fever, as was DS. DH was fine. It was probably nothing, but I do wonder…

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maaaaaaybe? wishful thinking? Had a slight fever and sick feeling and headache for several days starting March 10. Even started on the Sudafed. But I had also been crazy busy up to then, and I was most definitely also dehydrated and sleep deprived. I never developed full blown anything. So I hope maybe this was it, but no way to know unless tested.

ETA: My DH and DS are not could to measure by. They are hardly ever sick. They could easily be the asymptomatics walking around.

I think the question of which impacts the economy more - virus or stay at home order - is location specific.

If you have a location of 76000 people with 46 positive cases - most of the employable are healthy.

The few people that I know are still working have reduced hours. The gas station nearest my house has lost revenue - who’s going to need gas if they’re not working.

This was before any stay order was released by the Governor. People stayed home. They’re not spending money they’d have normally spent at movies, restaurants, hair salons, malls. The people still with income.

I don’t have any study to cite. Pretty sure in some locations the economy is on hold - just in case - not because of.

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Small businesses were implementing distancing measures to stay open. Once the Governor’s order was released they had to close. Order expires in a week - those small businesses are planning opening procedures.

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Our state is not allowing construction, which is a big issue around here. The governor is finally allowing it on 5/1. Buying and selling cars and houses have also not been permitted. Our notaries have been closed and he is just starting to talk about allowing those. We have a lot of manufacturing in this area. Some of it was deemed essential, some of it was not and was closed. I can give you that maybe the movie theaters and bigger events would probably have had losses regardless, but those other jobs were due to the stay at home order.

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Yes. Talk about perverse incentives. :

If they did just stand by while everyone got infected, then they wind up with immune survivors to go back to work. It’s a bit Darwinian for my taste.

But for health care workers, having antibodies could be peace of mind if we do get another wave. Then sure as the sun rises, some manager would say, “Well, you don’t need that PPE.” But we don’t know that for sure… sigh. It is hard to be the worker bee, even though the hive depends on you.

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I didn’t see the entire interview with the LV mayor. However, of what I did, one thing really stuck out to me. She talks about opening the casinos and having LV be a test case (which she then contradicts herself when AC pushes back on that).

AC then asks how they plan to enforce social distancing in casinos. She then says she has no idea. That it isn’t her job to figure that out; it’s the job of the casinos.

So she’ll advocate to open the LV economy; but she also wants to make sure she bears no responsibility if it goes sideways. So very politician-y.

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Sure, those that don’t die of course. Yeah, it’s all gross. But just SOP for this place. Be exploited (b/c you likely have no other choice), or be fired.

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I don’t disagree that the stay at home orders have had an effect. But I am skeptical that its effect is as big or bigger than the virus itself. Construction has been deemed essential in my state, but a number of projects have been halted either because workers were infected or future financial uncertainty- many before the orders were in place.

How many people would be out buying cars, allowing strangers into their homes to sell them, even without a stay at home order? I honestly don’t know and I question the groups that are so sure they know the cause is overwhelmingly the orders, versus the virus itself- to me it’s a bit of a chicken and egg scenario.

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Polls, from a variety of outlets, are consistently showing the clear majority (60-80% depending on the source) of Americans are more worried about opening up too early than keeping the economy locked down.

Lifting orders isn’t going to result in service industries (those most impacted by stay-at-home orders) coming right back to pre-COVID levels. And in some cases, they might be worse off. Reopening, but not enough customers to turn a profit, etc.

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I’ve read that a lot of homes are being sold based only on virtual walk throughs. And I know someone who is selling a house “as is” who got a few offers immediately. Home sales aren’t 100% gone.

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