Morally questionable FPP question

And if I pay for my room, I’m entitled to do whatever I desire — within the bounds of the law — with it. Including not using it at all.

Indeed, one of the reasons anyone books an onsite hotel is to get FPP at 60 days. Disney hotels are hugely expensive and there are plenty of other options. So why stay at one at all? For the perks. One of which is FPP.

Booking two separate FPPs for FOP is undeniably selfish. Everyone knows it’s a hugely popular ride and that FPPs are tremendously difficult to get. The alternative is a very long queue, or a very early morning. If you book two separate FPPs you are denying someone else the opportunity to book an FPP.

You cannot have it both ways. Either both things are wrong, or neither is.

That strikes me as somewhat hyperbolic. For someone’s entire vacation to be ruined by my booking a room I’m going to cancel in a few weeks, every single room at all the All-Star hotels would need to become booked up between now and when that person tries to book a vacation which includes the date I’ve booked. And they would have to give up the search after the day that I cancel the room and never look again for a room opening up.

Who is this mythical person? Why are they booking their Disney vacation so late? The date I’ve booked is just over three months away. Why are they so determined to stay at an All-Star resort and brook no other option? How are all the many thousands of rooms at all the All-Star resorts booked up on that date?

Disney knows what people on the dining plans order. If they spot that people on the dining plans tend to order more expensive dishes compared with people not on the dining plan, then they’ll increase the cost of the dining plan. So everyone suffers. It’s the tragedy of the commons.


It seems to me that there is some received wisdom that the most wicked thing one person can do to another is to book a hotel room that they don’t intend to use. Those who adhere to this view seem wilfully deaf to any argument that suggests either that it is not wicked at all, or that there are many, many, many things that everyone does in their lives that disadvantage others.

In general I try to make my posts funny and self-deprecating, though not everyone seems to understand my sense of humour. Sometimes I get caught out myself.

But this thread is irritating even me at this point. There’s a whiff or righteous, cherry-picking superiority wafting around that reminds me of the reasons why I loathe politics so much.

And now I’m annoyed at myself for spoiling what is in general actually the friendliest and most supportive forum I’ve ever encountered on the internet.

My apologies. I shall step away.

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Oh, except to say . . .

I have made a number of changes in the last couple of days, actually! Some quite big ones!

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I understand that this thread is being ended, but I did want to say that I really enjoyed reading it. As a topic it gave me a lot to think about. Without taking ‘sides’ I just wanted to thank all posters for their articulate input into the discussion.

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There is a reason that other forums I participate on do not allow sarcasm. It does not translate through the written word where you do not have the ability to see facial expressions or hear tone of voice.

Emojis can convey some of that though.

When used. But they rarely are.

Well then — when do we get to hear about all of these changes?!

Surely as adults we should be able to discuss whatever we want. At least it is possible to walk away from a thread if it becomes too confrontational for your liking.

To disallow sarcasm, for example, requires a huge degree of moderation. Personally I don’t want to be part of an online community which dictates what is “allowed”, other than normal rules of no racist comments etc etc.

It’s just one step,away from a moderator deleting anything they happen to disagree with.

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You did start the conversation.

These threads are always an interesting read. I won’t think less of you.

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I have enjoyed this thread quite a bit @profmatt. Maybe that is because I have done most of these things. I shall confess my sins so you know you are not alone.

  1. I booked a throwaway room at AssSp that we never stayed in.
  2. I have 2 MDE accounts and have multiple ADR’s for the same time. Pretty sure some people are going to get my prime ADR’s for Easter when I release them.
  3. With my 2 MDE’s, up until they closed this loophole last year, we always had 3 prebooked FPP, and then at rope drop got 3 more per person at the kiosks. WDW is awesome with 6 FPP at the start of the day. Really sad they closed this loophole.
  4. I booked a fake stay right before my real stay for Easter. I made FPP 7 days early and got everything I wanted at the times I wanted. I then cancelled the fake stay.
  5. One time when we had free dining, we used my just turned 10 year old DD’s adult credits so we could eat at more TS restaurants, while buying her a kids meal out of pocket.
    I could go on and on. To me, these are just smart tips learned to make your trip better, not morally questionable things. That’s just my opinion though.
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I want to be like you when I grow up. :star_struck::star_struck::star_struck:

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Thanks, I think. I can’t tell if that is scarcasm or not. I forgot another morally wrong thing we do- make a breakfast ADR at The Wave so we can park at the Contemporary on our MK days. I make them on my extra MDE account that is linked to a credit card that no longer exists so no charge. Man I really learned a lot of bad behavior on Chat!

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Don’t forget the booking at the campsites to gain all the Disney perks and then staying at a friend’s house nearby for free.

I mean. I HEARD about someone doing this. A friend of a friend. :wink:

My only regret today is not getting to this post sooner. I missed some great opportunities for intellectual snark.

My advice about the morality question is; you do you as long as it is not a crime against another.

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That is a classic. I haven’t used it yet, but someday, someday. I don’t judge anyone for taking advantage of holes in the system. If Disney doesn’t care why should I. Hate the game, not the playa.

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Yep. And the fault also falls on social media for sharing all these tips to the masses. Any loophole found is then explained in detail on the internet to all of us Disney fans. Of course many are going to use the tips! Why wouldn’t someone want their trip to be the best it can be?

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And the more the tip spreads, the quicker it goes to the Tip Graveyard. A quote from Ben Franklin- 3 May keep a secret if 2 are already dead.

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No sarcasm. Although there is really nice people on this forum, let’s admit that sometimes some get on their high horse. Your post is refreshing to read.

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True!

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Thanks!