I guess we’ll find out. She’s a very regular poster in quite a few of the FB groups under a name that is likely not her legal full name and with no identifying photo so she might be more difficult to track down. It also did cross my mind (for the first time) what if she’s just been masquerading as crew this whole time, but she does have dead-accurate info on the kids club, character meets and seems to at the very least know crew on ships that she can get info from easily enough. So I do think she actually is. I was just surprised she was willing to post details of the situation like that so blase.
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Training is very different these days! Much less physical, but still important. It is a way to get your PE credit in college!
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Ohhhhhhh I missed that piece!
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Nice! I took swimming 2 and 3 in college (1 one was quite literally how to swim) for an easy A for PE credit. lol. I don’t remember there being lifeguard training. One of the things I remember from mine which I wouldn’t have been able to follow was that when I wasn’t on the clock I wasn’t to rescue someone or give them CPR. I was told to coach someone else to do it cuz when you’re certified as a career you’re liable if something goes wrong and that good citizen law can’t protect you. But how could you NOT give someone CPR that needed it if you were in that situation. Sad state of a sue happy culture we are part of.
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Years ago DS was guarding at a municipal pool that had a wave machine and a mother, with a liittle one in tow, allowed a rip current to drag them both into deeper water where she could not touch the bottom. In a panic the mother was pushing the little one under water as she tried to stay on the surface. During the save DS followed protocol and applied physical force to separate the two and save the little one from being drowned. Next thing you know, the mother has her husband and police in the pool manager’s office wanting to file assault charges.
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Murica!
Land of suing.
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I had lifeguard certification for a few years. Looking back I was too scared to be a custodian to do the DCP but I wish I had known I could have been a lifeguard. I hope my kids become lifeguards. You can always find a summer job. Around here people pay $25/30 an hour for private parties too.
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Ooh and with DCP if you have lifeguard training and certification you’ll almost always be asked to take a lifeguard role (though nobody is ever forced into lifeguarding because it’s such a high-risk role)
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One evening, back when I worked in NY, the ED wheeled a patient up, and I saw the RN was wearing a Disney World bag and I commented on it. After we settled the patient he shared that he works there as a lifeguard a few weeks a year. He started in college (not sure of DCP) and he stays on as some kind of seasonal employee, stacking his ample hospital PTO to let him work a few weeks a year. He said it was much less money than nursing, but he got park access for him and his wife. Not a bad gig.
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things I didn’t know before facebook…
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This is why I didn’t want to run away with the speculation of dad putting the girl up on the railing for a photo! This early investigation from authorities is saying there is a witness that the girl was climbing (while the parents were playing shuffleboard) and it does confirm it was Dad who went right in. So half right, it was Dad who jumped in. It was not Dad who dangled her up on the railing.
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Interesting! I will refrain from speculating further because who really knows at this point. But I will make sure to tell my kids to be extra careful around railings on our upcoming cruise. Even though it’s relatively safe, it’s not “foolproof.”
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Oh as soon as I read it, I updated the kids and DH who were sitting all around the room and the kids got a stern “You always keep two feet on the ground next to a railing on the ship” from me. So I very much agree with making sure the kids know the safety precautions.
Also, this has reminded me that on our cruise earlier this month, there were 2 people who fell into the water off the pier in St. Thomas. One was a Norwegian guest and elderly man who got too close to the red line and then lost balance and fell between the ship & pier and was sent to the hospital in serious condition. The other was a woman who was able to get or be pulled out unharmed after falling off a ferry ship closer ot the pier. So caution on any and all piers is also warranted.
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Two big questions with that…
1 - How are they more credible than the other eye witnesses who saw her being put on the rail
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2 - If a crew member saw the child climbing, they should have stopped it then and there. And if they were not close enough to get there, how do we know that what they saw wasn’t the girl trying to get down after being put there?
Also both things can be true. Possibly the father sat her on the rail earlier to take a picture and that gave the girl the idea that it’s perfectly ok to sit on the rail.
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It’s not even an eye witness, it’s someone who wasn’t on the deck in question saying the CM told her that.
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It’s all been hearsay so far. I’m sure they’ll be an official report at some point.
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“Shannon said she later spoke to a crew member who told her” sounds sketchy.
Sounds like a really good way for a CM to get canned.
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Exactly. It’s fun to speculate, but too early to condemn. No source we’ve heard from is definitive.
The only thing I am relatively sure of is that the ship itself is safe and some form of human intervention has to come into play for these dangerous situations to unfold - usually on the part of the guests.
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I thought the last report I read had an actual eye witness but I wouldn’t swear to it.
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If there was an eye witness they have not explicitly said they were there in any comments or videos. The majority of witnesses are ones who watched the rescue, but I haven’t been able to see or hear anyone with any definitive comments say what the situation was beforehand.
I personally was very skeptical of the very first place I saw it mentioned (an anonymous poster on a comment on one of the very first posts to hit). So ever since then I have been closely reading or watching each account to determine if they had any more definitive information.
Also, when I posted the article late last night, this part did not say Shannon said she later spoke to a crew member who told her they saw the entire incident unfold. It said a crew member spoke who saw the entire incident unfold. And went on to say that the crew member saw parents playing shuffleboard.
So last night it felt like the first direct eyewitness. It is certainly curious that it’s now a named guest who says they spoke with the crew member and not the crew member directly. Either way, the parents (and like you said the crew member if they were close enough) absolutely should have done more to keep the little girl on footing where she was not at risk of tumbling over. And no matter what, it very much remains difficult to get overboard on that railing without trying, so I agree it something where she was set (or climbed without being monitored) that led to it.
I just don’t love the cry to condemn specifically the dad for putting her up for a photo when we don’t know what was happening the minute she fell.
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