This is from the Today report that was linked.
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Thatâs pretty damning if accurate
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If what the crew member says is true, then they will face some tough questions from Disney Cruise Line as to why they didnât stop her. Didnât yell or anything. I find that very hard to believe. Crew members are trained to step in when they see dangerous things like climbing the wall happening.
And I maintain that there have been witness statements such as quoted above of people who did see the father putting her up there. Now, could that have been earlier than when she fell - like he did it and thought things were fine but she then thought climbing was ok since dad set her up there? Thatâs a possibility.
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Agree that the crew member will have some answers to provide. And I do find it curious that when I read it last night it was more directly stated as coming from the crew member but this morning there was now a guest quoting a crew member.
Whatever it was, the security cameras, like youâve mentioned up thread, will have the footage to confirm.
So, until then, while I donât want to downplay the seriousness that there was some level of negligence at play, I do want to personally keep an open mind that itâs possible the first person to say âDad set her on the railing for a photo,â could be speculation that couldâve been run away with.
The quoted and named witness is pretty direct though. Even if it does seem to contradict what came out today from the sheriffâs department now investigating the case. What youâre saying about her being there initially for the photo & then trying to climb back up later, does make a lot of sense with whatâs coming out.
Her parents are definitely at fault directly if they put her there or indirectly if they were occupied while she climbed, since they were the ones there on the deck with her. But until the investigation (if we are ever able to get the details of the results) comes out with a conclusion, it really is all so and so said this and so and so said that.
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More information from the Sheriffâs department. Still a lot of unanswered questions.
https://x.com/scottgustin/status/1940519050083495974?s=46&t=o5hb2IhktPeuVj4nnnvyVA
Someone posted these pics of the possible location of portholes on Deck 4.
Seems like there was some degree of negligence to allow the girl to sit there. But sounds like the father didnât set the girl on the railing, or at least wasnât nearby when she fell. He supposedly âdidnât seeâ the incident. The mother was the one who witnessed the fall.
As I said, lots of unanswered questions even with this additional info.
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Those seem surprisingly easy to climb, combined with a short vertical for that rail if someone used that ledge as leverage.
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I can totally see my kids climbing on these and thinking it was a jungle gym. 
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Agree still unanswered questions, but I do like that they are getting out quickly what they do know. And good to hear the shipâs security video is available and corroborating the statements from those who were around.
The statement also mentions Dad being hospitalized for an undisclosed injury so I do hope it all ends up well for them. And that especially they all learn a new level of vigilance and precaution. we have played shuffleboard on Deck 4 and even with non-adventurous kids, I only pull out my phone briefly while out there so that I can have eyes on them (and all their stuff that may be blown over in a second with how quickly and strong the wind can gust on the open decks).
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Thanks for the photo. I wasnât visualizing how she fell through a porthole.
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Establish a rule - BOTH FEET ON THE GROUND UNLESS ONE IS UP TO WALK - before you even set foot on the ship.
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Those are open windows?
I could see how those would be much easier for a kid to climb.
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Theyâre more like enclosed parts of the promenade deck. They donât really seem to serve a purpose beyond decorative.
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I wonder if they are about to become filled in with plastic and become actual windows because yup that lip makes them easy to climb and I can see Disney being sued for that
Iâm also thinking if thatâs the same place Dad jumped out that maybe he got injured in the jumping out part hitting something trying to squeeze thru that hole super quickly. Or if he didnt jump outwardly maybe hit a body part on whatever this thing is that sticks out a bit
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Iâve been thinking a lot about this, and I actually see a situation where I would do the same thing.
Holding my child for 10-20 minutes of treading water, Iâd likely have to keep myself calm, and talk to her in order to keep her calm (canât tread water with a thrashing kid). And as soon as I got her into the arms of someone, as soon as I knew she was safe, itâs possible that I would need a moment to deal with the overwhelm of what just happened.itâs possible the calm would dissolve at that point and Iâd let my child be safe in someone elseâs arms for a minute to allow me to collect myself. Though I would get her back in my arms as soon as I felt able. Iâd rather cry with her than away from her. But I can still see where a rational, loving parent might need a minute.
Although did I see him do a fist pump on the way in to the boat? If so, thatâs tacky af
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He was injured enough from the rescue that he was hospitalized the next day when they debarked from the cruise, so knowing that, I donât find it all surprising that heâs away from her in that moment. And thereâs been some light discussion (some here, some on the wider internet) that Disney may have had protocol to follow in the rescue where they were purposely keeping them separated. Out of the concern that there may have been malicious intent. Since they had no idea what the circumstances were that led to them going over.
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Does anyone know how many feet they fell?
Also, this is a really interesting video! Neat at the end where it shows the path the Dream took- complete with how many knots they were going. They pretty much maxed out the engines to get within a reasonable distance to shore in case things went wrong quick. Again, Disney shows how incredibly well trained their people are
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No but estimating 10 feet per deck, about 40 feet is a decent guess (technically 30 cause they fell from the 4th past 1-3). There might be more height per deck or some buffer here or there, and deck 1 may be below the water line. Either way, nothing to sneeze at.
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he said in that video 40-50 feet. Which given olympic divers do it, seems survivable but I over turned once as a child trying to do a dive from our high dive springboard which would have been much shorter than the platforms and landed on my back and goodness did that hurt:
âIn other official competitions, men generally dive from a height of 22â27 metres (72â89 ft) while women dive from a height of 18â23 metres (59â75 ft).â
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Wow great video- as someone terrified of water, seeing how the crew handled the situation was extremely impressive.
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Everything on the internet says it was 20 feet. I was expecting 40 feet, but there is a ton of reporting on 20.
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