Based on a suggestion from @linsalt we’re adding an Optimizer option to specify how long of a grace period you’re comfortable with in using Lightning Lanes after Disney’s official return time window has expired.
Disney’s current grace period is 119 minutes, so any number between 0 (no grace period) and 119 (the whole thing) is valid. But I don’t want to put 119 options in a menu, so I’d like to limit the number of choices displayed.
We’d like to know what choices you want to see for that grace period.
The initial set of choices is this: 0 minutes, 15, 30, 45, 60, 75, 90, 110, 115, and 119:
As an example, and in the interest of keeping the choices simple, I think we could go with 0, 15, 30, 60, 90, 119. I think 60 or 90 is a reasonable default.
Let me know what y’all are comfortable with here, and what the default value should be.
Note that the grace period applies to all the attractions in a plan for a given day. I don’t want to complicate the UI further by doing per-step custom grace periods until I see how often the non-default values are used.
I think the numbers you have suggested are reasonable. I do think that that the default should be the minimum to get the MEP if the ride goes down. Is that 0 or 15? That’s the only nuance that I worry could get lost on newer folks.
I would be fully comfortable with the shorter of the proposed lists (15, 30, 60, 90 and 119). In fact, I’d be just as comfortable with the binary choice of 15 or 119. I feel like either you’re willing to take the small risk (of not being let in/ride going down during the extended grace period) or you are not.
I would however prefer to have a ride by ride choice! I realize this might be too complicated, but I do think many people like me have must do rides where we don’t really want to take any risk - and then other rides which we’re fine taking a small risk.
Could your top time be 115, and pretend we don’t know it is 119? That would give users a few extra minutes as a buffer. I just think the odd number (119) after a series of multiples of 5, looks weird.
I was also thinking this but I was also thinking that different people have a different idea of how close they want to stick to the plan. Like even if you want to use the extended grace you may not want the plan to put you there with only 2 minutes of grace left.
Wow! Great addition to the plans. I’d be comfortable with fewer choices like 0,15,30,90,115. I agree with others who suggest the default should be the 15 where you can still get the MEP. Then people are making a conscious choice to take the chance on no MEP if they manually change it from 15 to 115. And I agree with @PrincipalTinker that the 119 after all the 0s and 5s bothers me.
I might have a bit of Navin Johnson in me but I honestly can’t put my finger on what suggestion precipitated this. If it was someone else’s suggestion then they should get the props.
I think 0, 30, 45, 60, 90, 115 are all good choices. I wouldn’t trust a plan that pushes to 119. Too many things can happen. My personal preference would be 45 for headliners and 90 for the rest. I wouldn’t want to be over an hour late for the long line attractions. But for others I’m comfortable with a longer grace period. By default, I think the software should stick to the official 15 minutes.
A lot of us like to move things around and evaluate to meet specific needs. Optimizer would be much more beneficial for me if there were a few more setting. I would love a feature that would lock steps together. Or a option in the edit feature of an attraction where you could set a preferred time of experiencing (morning, midday, night).
What’s the official Disney published grace period? I’d use that as default, and then give the power users the ability to change it. Make sure to have them assume all risks with that.
I know the grace period is much different in Disneyland, also. It’s not 119 at all. Sometimes we got yelled at after 20 minutes or so.
Agreed. I know the 119 get used all the time but personally I’m not willing to risk not getting a MEP for it after the official grace period, since you can’t book another time after that’s gone and you’re out that ride.
I was going to suggest just an input box also. A drop-down seems awkward for a number value that could easily be defined. A note could be added about Disney’s MEP threshold and that using the max value is at your own risk.
I also agree that the default should be the MEP max.
This would be so helpful - not just in making the plan but also no longer having to do math backwards to write in the notes: “can grab an LL anytime after xx time.”
I like the selections you proposed, and using ‘max.’
I will say given ride break down frequency, the expire strategy is risky and should be noted as such.
I changed my RD strategy at MK and HS given the 1 in 5 odds that SM and RnRC would be down any given opening.
So I def wouldn’t allow an FEA or TT to wander in ‘no MEP’ expire zone but absolutely would for mission orange, small world, etc etc.
Is this a toggle on/off? Do you want to use the extended grace period for LL? WARNING: use may result in no MEP if ride goes down during extended grace period.
Then if yes, I like the drop down option and suggested options. Personally I would pick 115, but I do hope the plan is to individualize by ride eventually. Some rides I’m happy to risk. Others we will definitely plan to use in the LL use period. It’ll be annoying to have TP tell me to arrive at SDD an hour after my return time if I’m in the park and can get there within the ride window.
Let me know what y’all are comfortable with here, and what the default value should be. 