Right, but a point was made against an event I showed saying it had nothing to do with Disney. I didn’t have a chance to see it before I asked to stop. Which then led me to an actual trigger in the last video.
And I’m not arguing with you. Lost in text, I suppose. I suck at social media. I was just trying to explain my view since I was accused of over reacting. And I chose to do it by over reacting ; )
The VIP tours now include ROTR (at least since reopening in July), but you still have to get a Boarding Group like everyone else. Then they go through the FPP line.
Sorry guys, this isn’t accurate. I misunderstood my friend. So no access to ROTR still during a VIP tour, but of course you can ride during the tour if you get a BG and want to take time out to ride in the normal line.
Do the plaids get the BG for you or are you subject to the lottery?
Book it like an ADR.
60 days out.
Number of bodies in your party?
Date?
Here’s what’s available and timing.
You don’t find one.
You’ve got 60 days to find your happy place or refund.
Subject to the lottery.
Ugggghhh… That’s rough! It would really suck if that was your motivation to invest in one. There’s so little to do at DHS, atm, that you could do the whole park multiple times with the 7 hour minimum. 
Oops, it appears I was wrong about ROTR and access with a VIP tour. There is no skipping the regular line, I misunderstood my friend. So if they want to ride during a tour, they can get a BG and ride, but have to go through the regular line.
If, by chance, Disney does a tier pay maxpass/express pass, what if they make so much money using that, that they then discount regular day/AP tickets?
Then reintroduce regular “free” fastpass and stand-bye queues?
That will free up the long line in the queues, give the park the opportunity to recoup $$, and give people the free FP option they are used to while also maximizing the pay to play people who can afford the option.
I understand your frustration and agree that the BG method is flawed at best. Any method is going to exclude people, though. My family would be functionally eliminated from getting to ride RotR with a standby-only system because I couldn’t keep my boys sane in a 3- or 4-hour line. But it may be more “fair” to do it that way overall.
Thinking about it further, the demand per day is probably way higher than what we’re stating here because a lot of visitors would ride more than once if given the opportunity. The option of a second ride isn’t there with the BG method. But with a standby system, would they stamp everyone’s hand to show they’ve already ridden? Or would they allow multiple rides if the visitor was willing to spend the entirety of their day in line?
When Flight of Passage opened it faced similar issues. If you got to the park super early and were one of the people admitted right away you could, theoretically, get back in line if you choose to wait 4 - 6 hours. Eventually demand has waned and now the wait is often less than 3 hours in peak times.
Look at other popular DHS rides, like SDD & MMRR, those waits are often close to 2 - 3 hours as well. There just isn’t much that can be done with the amount of people WDW allows in the park.
RotR will eventually get down to a “reasonable” 3 hour wait. 
A lot of us talk about being OK with paying for a MaxPass or another FastPass style system. How about WDW actually puts a hard cap on the number of people in the park, but significantly raise the price?
I’d miss park hopping, but if WDW would drastically decrease the number of people they allow through the gates each day, I’d be OK with keeping the park reservation system and paying more for entry. (Just a thought…)
Some good news:
But today, there were still groups available five minutes after 10AM. According to our reader, they didn’t close until 7 MINUTES after they became available for guests . That’s a pretty big window!
Here’s confirmation from thrill data, which tracks all these stats automatically. As you can see, on 10/27, the BG window was open for virtually no time at all (similar to every day since the COVID reopening), whereas on 10/28, the window stretches to about 10:07 (the graph is marked in 1/10ths of an hour).
We’ll see if this is just a fluke or the beginning of a trend.
This sounds awesome. I leave on Saturday. I got to ride RotR in December on two different days shortly after it opened. Those were the good old days when the park unofficially opened at 6:30, you could get a BG as soon as you tapped in, and the lottery for BG’s lasted 60-90 minutes.
It seems like the only reason for them to add the plexi-glass! I hope this is a new thing. It will make a lot of people very happy!
Oh, I sure hope so! I hope no one will get their hopes up on this news, but it’s promising because:
Even 7 minutes is plenty of time for anyone with any semblance of foresight or preparation. It would take a lot of the heartache out of this process.
This seems like a better way, I also like the idea of a multi-tiered system someone mentioned, having more ways to get on, a standby line, a pay option, better chances for resort guests, etc.
What if there was a combo of standby and VQ? You physically get in line to get a VQ. That way you can be doing other rides while waiting but it gives some of the fairness of standby, giving the worm to early bird. And maybe to weed out those who would like to ride versus those whose highest priority it is to ride, make it so you have to physically wait an hour or two before you can get in the VQ.
I also like the ADR idea someone had. That at least gives you a chance to not go to WDW if that is your sole reason for going, or to prep your kids’ hearts to go and not ride.
Also, what about increasing capacity by opening it up much earlier than park open? I would gladly ride at 6am or 7 even if it meant there was nothing to do for awhile after I rode. I suppose that would be problematic because CMs would be needed all over the park for security, etc for those who were already off the ride, causing too much cost for Disney.
Disney has had those ‘early morning’ park parties and only certain parts of the park are open. I don’t think they’d require a lot of extra ppl for security if they rope things off?
Schlitterbahn. Stay in a treehouse or riverside cabin and you get tickets included with your stay. Make a weekend of it. So much fun! Beats six flags fiesta Texas and sea world to me. 
