Proposed Change: Make "Free time at end of plan" the default behavior

We’ve made a lot of progress this year on the data, app, and site, to the point where one of the more common questions/complaints is “why does my plan have so much free time in the middle of the day?”

It seems like the default behavior of minimizing waits with midday pauses is not intuitive to a lot of people. We can change that by enabling the “Put free time at end of plan” setting by default. What do y’all think?

:red_question_mark: Should we enable the “Put free time at end of plan” setting by default? :red_question_mark:

  • Yes
  • No
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I think I’d rather you add an option in the building of the custom plan asking the user to choose either “Put free time wherever is best to minimize total waits for the day” or “Put free time at the end of the plan” (with the ability to change it later when you’re playing around with the plan).

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I agree it should be the default to put free time at the end but keep the toggle to switch back to moving it around as needed.

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There have been so many times where at the end of the entire plan I can see there’s “150 minutes” of free time in the plan. Then I have to sort through every step trying to figure out where / why I have a 2+ hour gap of time. It is often due to meals / breaks with gaps before or after that I don’t want.

I hope that helps!

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I think you will get the same questions, “I told my plan I was staying until 10pm, why didn’t it schedule anything after 6?”

I personally like the way it is set up now because you can immediately tell you have too much time scheduled/not enough attractions. On chat we tell users to either shorten hours or add attractions. New users seem to understand this concept/solution right away.

I have used the plan settings to set my own plan to have free time at the end and it does work well but I usually do that after I see what the optimizer does with my initial plan.

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The major tenet of the optimizer is to minimize the time spent in lines (queue time). This is evident by this clip from the TP Web site:

“You have full access to our Disney World products that tell you when to visit, which park to visit, and how to wait less in line.”

Making this change would break this major tenet and potentially confuse the user base.

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Maybe, but I think that is a narrow interpretation. I think most people would be happy to know they can finish everything in less time overall vs. making use (or non-use) of every minute based on the somewhat arbitrary end time they entered.

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That is an option now. You can set up the plan to put the free time at the end. It is just not the default.

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Whelp, I was today years old when I realized why the option to put free time at the end of the exists, thanks to this thread. SOOO, for slower people like me, perhaps make it the default and explain why a few words.

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I don’t think it’s waiting less to stand around in the middle of the day with nothing to do while waiting for the lines to go down :rofl::dragon:

I think most users would like to see how they can get their planned attractions done with the shortest waits but also the least amount of time overall. If the free time is at the end it’s much more obvious that you can add more attractions.

What happens if you have Luminous or Fantasmic or HEA in the plan? Will it still put free time at the “end” of the day? I think I rarely start out with much free time in my plans…

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Yes I think the question is: what do most people expect / value, and make that the default. Then leave the option to put it the other way.

My guess is most people don’t want random free time in the middle of their plan. Maybe a poll would be helpful:

What do you think the default should be?

  • Put free time at end
  • Put free time where needed to minimize overall wait time
  • No preference / other
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I have used TPs a lot for actually touring the last few years as I won’t pay for LMNOP. I usually select free time at the end of the day for the reasons @melcort10 states - I get a sense of how many more attractions I can add.

My technique for creating a plan is as follows:
Tick on each item I must have.
Have TP optimize.
Have TP optimize with extra time at end.
(I can see generally how much wiggle room I have best case scenarios.)

Then I look at the walking pattern. Am I ricocheting? I’ll start to drag things to better order for walking and keep evaluating. I start jotting down on a notebook page how it is affecting totals (wait, walking, remaining, etc.)

I don’t optimize again unless I am feeling overwhelmed or feel like in need a redo. But in that case I copy to a new one and then start again with “free time at end of day.”

I guess I’m saying I always use that feature. BUT - I don’t need it as the default bc I know to look for it.

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I think preferences for what part of the day you’d rather have free time depend a lot on season. In the summer, it makes a lot of sense to have free time in the middle of the day and get out of the parks and into AC. At other times of the year, it’s nice to have that free time at the end of the day. It’s not one size fits all.

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I agree. I think it is also park and individual plans specific.

Is there no way for users to set their preference on the same screen when you set the date and time?

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I think this is key. If you KNOW then you probably don’t care. But it is a recurring question that pops up so much that they added the feature to begin with. It is not intuitively obvious that TP will plop free time in the middle of the day in various spots and not consider free time as waiting. Even though that’s what it is.

I was glad the feature was added, because it becomes my default now. But I think it is how people intuitive think it should work anyhow I less you have been using TP for a while.

It also is useful when you are park hopping because it give you a sense of what time if day you can expect to be able to hop…which then can aid in specifying your start time for the subsequent TP for the same day.

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There would still need to be a default, but I agree that it should be a configuration option as well if possible so a user can override the default behavior.

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It puts the free time between the last ride and the fireworks / evening parade. There are special rules for that exact case.

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Interesting!
When I know I am going to leave a park (has only happened twice when we had deluxe after hours with RD mornings) I just made two different plans. One starting at RD and one starting at 3PM.

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Do you find that works better than adding a long break during the hours you are not planning on being in the park?

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It gave me a tight control on restarting. There is very likely another way to anchor breaks.

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