In that same image, it also says Quick Service. I’ve seen it described as fast casual and as QS in articles. I’m not sure I’ve seen it described as TS. The food pictures look more like QS, but we’ll see how it actually plays out!
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Yeah. I see what you mean. That is confusing.
Everything else on the Disney site where it says Table Service really is Table Service where you need an ADR…but when I read the article about it, they are calling it “fast casual” and outdoor seating. If it is the same outdoor seating that was there before, I guess it isn’t really Table Service.
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I interpreted their statement to be a place with tables and chairs instead of a “booth” like at F&W or a place like Yorkshire County Fish Shop where you “grab & go”.
@darkmite2, LOL, I guess the ‘line’ IS blurry between Table Service and the rest…
I just thought it was IRONIC that the ‘key’ to planning our day so that ‘Optimize’ would not mess up our personal ‘walking plan’ was for us to plan the day with planned stops at ADR locations and we NEVER planned or ended up with an ADR restaurant reservation or had a Table Service food stop 
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Our day was BEYOND all our expectations, we were able to maintain our anticipated walking plan, able to absorb quite a few ‘same day’ glitches thrown in by Disney and TP demons and were able to do everything and more than we possibly dreamed of…
It will take me a while to properly put together a good ‘post/new topic’ to describe the day…
Here is a small spoiler alert…
We maintained our walking plan and still got through 10 FPP attractions using 7 FPPs for, 3 Soarin rides, 1 Mission Space ride, 2 LWTL, 1 Epcot Forever fireworks in ADDITION to 1 nonFPP Mission Space, 1 nonFPP Soarin, 1 nonFPP FEA and a nonFPP Test Track… We even saw Sergio, Serveur Amusant, Quebec Band Suroit, Chinese Acrobats and took the 3 Caballeros boat ride… All while spending only $95 on food and drink, for the two of us, at 15 Food and Wine Festival locations throughout the day (we did not drink any hard drinks except we did share a plum Sake )… STAY TUNED 
And the final irony is that we never used the ‘Lines’ APP or re-Optimized…
EDIT: and I guess it is OK now to come full circle on this topic and spill the beans on what ‘middle age’ means to my husband and I…
We are in our low 60’s and my husband needs an ankle replacement, has CRPS and used a ‘cane seat’ during our day at Epcot (he does know his limitations well )
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This is a test to see how well the forum handles pdfs:
Epcot_Wed-20-Nov-2019_CL1day.pdf (56.1 KB)
That is first draft of what actually happened on our day at Epcot… I will update this pdf till I like it…
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I know that if you look at that above pdf chart, you WILL think that we spent our whole day keeping track of what we did vs enjoying the day… Nothing could be further from the truth…
The GPS logging APP on my iPhone failed and we did not have a usable GPS track, still unsure how that happened, bummer.
That pdf chart was assembled from:
- Timestamps on the photos we took at Epcot (and we historically don’t take many photos but will take many more on our next trip
) - Timestamps on receipts of purchases made during the day.
- The actual walking distances, of our 18 major ‘walks’, were determined using Google Earth Pro ‘paths’ that I created from memory on the day after the visit.
DURING the day, we only looked at this last printed version of the relaxed walking TP plan, and did not use the ‘Lines’ App:
https://touringplans.com/plans/print?id=3942555
Here were the major points where we made decisions in order to stay on track with our preferred ‘walking plan’ for the day:
- First off, we knew we were well ahead of schedule since we finished FEA at 9:10 instead of 9:28, so we walked to MS via TT entrance to see if we could pick up TT now instead of end of day…
- At TT entrance, we saw that we could get TT and still make our FPP for MS, so we went single rider nonFPP TT.
- Then at MS entrance, we were still early and the CM said we had time to take nonFPP MS before using our FPP by taking singles/standby? line now, so we did nonFPP MS first
- After our second MS, which was using our FPP for it, we knew we had to skip our planned break and go directly to SE at a fast walk.
- SE was closed with no expected time of re-open. We missed SE on this trip (no big deal), but what caused the biggest hassle all day, was that the CM at SE did not suggest swiping our passes anyway even though I had a FPP discussion with him and he kept saying it would not matter as we now had a ‘multiexpereince’ tier 1 FPP that could be used anytime… (that was new to me)
- As we walked away from SE, Carmen noticed that she had lost her ‘swiping’ Disney card that they gave us for the day. We were fortunately close to Guest Relations, but it took 10 minutes or more to get a new card…
- No problem though, as a powerwalk to the Mariachi Cobre band got us back on track for the day and we quickly switched to a more relaxed pace for the rest of the day.
AND, here is a summary of the personal, Disney and TP demons that interfered with our day.
- TT broke down while we were on it for 10 minutes.
- MS broke down while Carmen was in her pre-briefing room for more than 10 minutes.
- SE was broken down for most/all? of the day, so we never went on SE.
- Carmen lost her Disney ‘swiping’ card and had to replace it a Guest Relations, 10-15 minutes lost.
- ‘American Adventure’ film was broken down when we were near it.
- TP allowed us to plan to see ‘Impressions de France’ film and it has already been closed for 2 months and won’t re-open til January.
- Bad advice from CM at SE regarding being able to get additional FPPs after our 3rd one since SE (our 2nd) was broken down (should have swiped SE anyway). This caused at least a further 30 minute delay in our day.
I believe that the most relevant things, I learned in this topic, which allowed us to have such a great day and allowed us stay on our personal walking plan, to mostly ‘adult’ attractions (Epcot Crowd Level 1 day), were these:
- Create you own walking plan for the day that minimizes backtracking and which gets you to the attractions/acts that you want to see, at the times they are available, matching FPPs you can get and in consideration of the expected nonFPP wait times for additional attractions.
- Force this walking plan to be adhered to by the TP Optimizer by adding meal breaks at each pavilion on your WS tour of the pavilions.
- Use the TP ‘Relaxed’ walking speed for your ‘Optimizations’ and ‘Evaluations’ prior to the day. This gives you some cushions to use, during the day, to EASILY walk faster to catch up to the schedule if you fall behind.
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So did your SE fastpass convert to any times? If so, you needed to book & use another Tier 2 fastpass before you could book a tier 1. Anytime (also called multi experience) fastpasses don’t count against your initial 3 fastpasses when it comes to tiers.
I wish the CM at SE knew that
The CM just repeated that we would not have problems booking the 4th FPP after we use the ‘multiexperience’ one at any time.
BUT, we DID have a problem, we used the SE multiexperience at LWTL just prior to our afternoon FPP at tier 1 Soarin. When we swiped Soarin, it became the 3rd FPP for the day that we used, we should have been able to get the 4th FPP at that point, but we had to schedule a LWTL for after Soaring and then just swipe and not ride LWTL and at that point were were able to FPP more tier 1 ride… so confusing…
We should have not even asked the CM, we should have just swiped inside the SE FPP time window that we arrived in, regardless that SE was broken down at the time…
It wouldn’t have mattered though. Swiping at SE would have used a multi-experience FP since it had already converted. Even though you use it on the original attraction. So if you ever get a multi experience FP you should book another FP right away to count as your “third” even though technically it is your fourth.
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I think we did as you say, as soon as we left the broken down SE, we booked LWTL with multiexperience, we swiped and rode that LWTL FPP but that LWTL was before Soarin. We were NOT able to book more tier 1 until after we rode Soarin AND also swiped a 2nd LWTL FPP that we had to book and swipe after Soarin.
But for LWTL you used your multi-exp FP, right? So it still doesn’t recognize you used a “third” FP until after you booked that second LWTL.
As soon as a FP converts to multi-exp you should immediately book a “third” FP (it’s technically your fourth, but multi-exp don’t count for the original 3 for tiering). Use up that third FP so that you complete your original 3 and don’t have to worry about tiers any more.
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I don’t think I realized this before (newbie here) - for multi-exp/anytime FPP you still have to ‘book’ them? I thought you just walked up to an eligible attraction and scanned in. Good to know if we get them we’ll need to schedule to redeem, if I’m understanding you correctly.
No. They will be automatically added to your MDE and accepted at any participating attraction without prebooking. You just tap in with your MagicBand and it “knows” to use the anytime FPP.
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No you don’t Pre book them. They are good for multiple attractions any point that day. However they don’t count toward your initial 3 FP. So in a park with tiers like Epcot, if one of your tier 2 FP becomes an anytime you will need to book and use an ADDITIONAL tier 2 fastpass to clear your original 3 FP to allow you to book another tier 1 if available.
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Ohhhhh I follow now. Thank you!
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