I just saw this:
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Oooh I cannot wait to read this.
This part:
“A majority of reservations or Points owned or controlled by an Owner (which may take into account all Points owned or controlled by an Owner across all Resorts at any given time) are made or used respectively at Resorts with overlapping room types and/or dates, regardless of whether the Owner or Associate is named as a guest on said reservations;”
We often stay in two studios versus getting a larger room, so does that count as “overlapping room types and/or dates” if it’s two rooms at the same resort for the same dates or is it only for different resorts? I mean, I have no concerns over being flagged for commercial use because it’s not, but thought that was interesting the way it was worded.
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This was the only piece that perked my ear as well. In a couple of weeks I have two studios booked for the same night because my parents are coming with us. Like you, I’m not worried because it’s legit and we go once every 3 years, but I’m curious what they are getting at. I am guessing that some of the speculators must have multiple rooms across multiple resorts on popular weekends and such.
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I said this on another thread but I think this is the easiest and simplest way to flag commercial.
“Making more than 20 reservations within a 12-month period, where most are not used personally.”
It’s not going to grab the occasional family emergency situation or even the vast majority of point misers who stretch their points for multiple trips. But it will definitely limit someone with a 500 point contract scooping up 30 BWV studios at 11 months.
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I agree that is what will flag owners.
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I think it’s a way to catch people booking reservations for Christmas / New Year / race weekends etc to then sell as confirmed reservations.
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It’s interesting that recording at a resort to encourage renting is specifically mentioned. That plus the regular advertising of points could hamper brokers and Facebook sites, especially where they own their own points.
DVC Rental Store, which encourages confirmed rentals over the “traditional” renting method, could be in the firing line IF DVC are able to identify the owners behind the rentals. But the FAQs do make a distinction between a broker and “violating owner” and say that using a broker or 3rd party site for renting is allowed.
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I think if DVC actually takes the actions they’re threatening and they restrict banking, borrowing, or transferring of points for commercial owners it will positively impact most members. Commercial owners make huge $$$ flipping contracts. They buy up loaded contracts borrow the points for maximum rental profit and then sell the stripped resale contracts. Rinse and repeat - all while making reservations for most owners more difficult to make than they should be.
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I think that if the brokers are truly just brokering then both they and the owners are fine. It shouldn’t matter if DVC Rental Store is moving 200 stays as long as it’s 200 different owners renting 1-2 stays a year. But I think that DVC definitely just laid their hard line to absolutely not help or “make it right” if something happens on either end of these transactions.
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I agree.
But there are 2 factors I see as potentially impacting that particular broker.
- Confirmed reservations for rent are an easier target. If DVC go after some of those who do multiple such reservations, the broker loses a lucrative opportunity (remember how the $pp can reach $30)
- There is a suggestion that the broker in question also buys & flips contracts to rent. If true that makes them a “violating owner” as well as a broker.
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I’m glad that more steps are being taken by Disney…although, in many ways I don’t think it goes far enough. But, in the very least this should help dissuade those doing this commercially, and catch the biggest offenders.
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Agreed. So definitely less money for the brokers but being an actual broker should still be fine.
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It may cause a per point increase from the brokers?
I’m thinking that if someone like me can snarf all of the dedicated listings for a few years and see the obvious aggressive booking patterns, Disney, with the additional knowledge of what owner was involved for every transaction, should be able to make easy work of identifying transgressors.
I think they just weren’t trying very hard, if at all.
Looking at my Jambo studio analysis from last year, I’m also thinking some crackdown will definitely help the regular owners when booking!
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Wow! 1,500 single nights at AKL.
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I always thought of the DVC Shop as one of the smaller rental companies, is it one of the largest? Or do they own a lot of AKL contracts?
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When I get a chance, I have to update that data. I’m curious if it has changed since I last crunched it in Jun 2025.
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When looking at my archived data sheet, which currently runs from Jan 2024 to today, they were the number 1 by a little over DVCRentalStore with 31% of the market, with David’s in a slightly behind 3rd place.
Looking at my active listings data: they are the big gorilla by far with a ginormous 72% of all dedicated listings!
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