I’m not following? Now you absolutely have to do that. Only now it’s worse cause now you’re all vying for the same ride at the same time.
Absolutely
The ONLY way I would see this as barely acceptable is the LL is also able to be used as a Single or Multi LL.
…nah, not even then. Absolute BS.
Well there are ways to take advantage of onsite folks having EE when offsite don’t*, but it’s an added complication. Not having EE puts everyone on equal footing at regular opening for both parks. It will be nice when EE is not a factor in deciding which park to start at - you can go where it makes sense for your own plans.
(*The conventional wisdom is that you should go to the park that does not have EE, because then you avoid the onsite crowds. But the prevailing counterargument among Liners is that you should go to the park that has EE, because there are more offsite people than onsite, and the offsite people all have the same idea.)
That 6am line up for rope drop now changes to 5am. What a fricken mess! 
I didn’t realize anyone was getting there at 6am. 
I’m happy if I get there by 7:30.
Why would it push it forward to 5am (or earlier than 6am anyway)? Not sure I follow why that would happen.
Agree! This is just an excuse so they don’t have to pay staff for the extra time.
Please no. 8am is already too dang early!
Same, to be honest. I love DLH so much and barely ever make it to EE. But I still think it should be included!
‘Tis not! 
EDIT: I mean, I guess it kinda can be, though. After all, I don’t love the super early AK hours.
70th day peeps were there at 4am front gate on Harbor. Certain merch drops also require an early line up. It really isnt that bad. I am an early riser so always up for the challenge.
I forgot to add its Disney and people are crazy and some just have to be first. Earliest Ive been is 3am reopening day then 5:45 am to be first at Disneyland gate. I think people “missing out” on EE will be ready to go right at opening.
Yeah- I feel like I need to make sure to always rank EE as super important.
A few years ago we used DVC points to stay at Grand Cal during spring break. Being the first people on Alice snd then doing 3/4 of Fantasyland was a really magical morning.
I’ll be there in April for work and was going to try to stat at Grand Cal again a few nights with DVC points. Definitely saving the points and going with the Best Western and am happy to have no disadvantage.
Can’t believe they aren’t evem offering an SP!
They say stuff like this at my company too when they downgrade benefits. Like they’re trying to make it about employee requests caused this, I’m sure it’s corporate messaging teams trick. I very much agree one free lightning per trip is horrible. One per day if it was maybe LLSP would be a better deal.
Theyre both wrong! Lmao
I prefer coming in an hour after opening to avoid the morning lines. I walked right in at 10am, no lines. It was beautiful. But I very much understand that without LLPP that early hours makes a huge difference because everyone else hates those hours too. Lol
We did all five fantasy land dark rides in less than an hour at around 11pm so that’s how I’d flip it if you can do late. We waited 20 min for pan and it actually moved the whole time cuz no one was using the DAS system, 10 min for Alice, 5 for toad, 3 for Pinocchio cuz the CM wasn’t fully loading cars and 1 for snow. I’m doing this everytime from now on.
This reminds me of an email someone posted online from Walmart to their employees. They were revoking an employee discount because it was “underutilized” and instating a lower one that was more broadly applicable. I have no idea which benefit is better, but it’s dumb to say “underutilized” in a communication. People see right through it.
At WDW we would use this strategy. When we go out to the West Coast we tend to stay on east coast time, but maybe not now that DD is older.
As someone who both stays onsight and offsite, I can make this work however. I think I am.just flabbergasted by the change and the pittance offered in return.
That’s the important part. It’s not that it’s being taken away really (DL has long enough hours that it’s not really a big deal) it’s the lie and the absolutely insulting offering instead that gets me.
It’s not even Disneyland. SW took away the free checked bags and the anywhere seating, and they “added all these new perks!” Like one free checked bag with a SW Rewards Card. Yo, you offered 2 to everyone before the switch! 
Chase Sapphire Reserve did the same thing. They’re calling it “The Most Rewarding Card, Ever.” But instead of just giving bonus points for $x spending, it’s now split into credits for like Apple TV, Peloton, Door Dash, TSAPreCheck, Lyft, etc etc. So if you can use it all, yes, you’d get more credits, but the spending is now just all over the place.
