Brightline reviews?

I have a work trip to Miami in a few weeks and I’m debating changing my flight home to leave from Orlando and taking the Brightline train from Miami to Orlando.

I’m curious about other people’s experiences, particularly in their “smart” class (regular) Most of the reviews are of the Premium class and the cost of the Premium class is more than 2x during the times I’m looking at. I am planning on working on the train so I do want to be comfortable.

Tagging @Bubblez and @Mike_vndt as they have taken the train based on posts.

Thank you! :slight_smile:

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And maybe @DWJoe ? But I’m not entirely sure on that!

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I was about to tag him too. I thought he took the Brightline but it could have been regular Amtrack too.

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Our experience with Brightline was great. The northbound train was about 15 minutes late, but aside from that, no issues.

The regular class is perfectly fine, I wouldn’t pay double the price for premium considering the regular class was comfortable all around. Probably less people in premium and complimentary food, I think.

Our train to Orlando was about half full, and the return train was completely full. Very quiet, but that can vary depending on what kind of people you happen to get near you :grin:

I’ve used plenty of trains around Europe and I’d say this was on par with any good european train. All the stations and trains are obviously brand new. Decent service on board the train - they had sandwiches, drinks (beer, sodas, oj, water), chips etc. for sale.

Obviously the best thing is that it’s faster and much more comfortable than a car!

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I’ve only taken Amtrak from Miami to Orlando, specifically the Silver Meteor which takes about 5 hours. What I like is you can get a private compartment which includes meals. Or, the coach tickets are $39. The train leaves 8:10 and arrives 1:22. Since it starts in Miami it’s rarely late.

Brightline is faster, takes about 3.5 hrs but costs more in coach. The issue I have with Brightline is the high frequency of train collisions. Seems like every other week there is an article about a fatality. While many attribute this to ‘Florida man’ stupidity of people trying to beat the train, the high number of level crossings (300+) is also a factor. For comparison the Amtrak Northeast corridor has just 11 level crossing between NYC and Boston.

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I highly recommend! I did do the premium tickets, which to me were worth it, but like everything else that’s mostly preference.

About the same time as driving, none of the hassle. It was nice to be able to get up and stretch my legs whenever needed and we had a ton of space to spread out and sleep/watch shows/eat/etc.

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Sorry for bringing up an older thread but I found this podcast on PBS about the Killer Train

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A ‘Death Train’ Is Haunting South Florida

My take: BL has a bad rail safety design, because of the enormous number of grade crossings (300+) in a densely populated area. This is unprecedented anywhere in the world and makes it uniquely dangerous compared to other railroads. It’s popular to blame “Florida Man” but that’s not the underlying reason.

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the Brightline has been involved in at least 185 fatalities, 148 of which were believed not to be suicidesBy comparison, the Long Island Rail Road, the busiest commuter line in the country, hit and killed six people last year while running 947 trains a day. Brightline was running 32.

In January 2023, the National Transportation Safety Board found that the Brightline’s accident rate per million miles operated from 2018 to 2021 was more than double that of the next-highest—43.8 for the Brightline and 18.4 for the Metra commuter train in Chicago.

if the people of Florida were uniquely stupid in a way that made them more susceptible to being hit by trains, you would expect them to be hit uncommonly often by all trains. This is not the case. Amtrak serves fewer passengers than Brightline, but operates through many of the same urban areas as well as some additional ones, and it reported six total fatalities in the state in 2024, compared with Brightline’s 41. The NTSB’s 2023 report found that Brightline’s accident rate per million miles was more than eight times that of SunRail, another commuter train that operates around Orlando.

There are 331 grade crossings along the Brightline route in South Florida. James Hopkins, a former Brightline conductor, cited this when explaining to me why he no longer works for the company. He mostly enjoyed his time at Brightline, he said—the company was a good employer—but he didn’t want to work on that route anymore in large part because of how often the train would hit people. At his previous job operating a freight train in the 200-mile stretch between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg, he said there were 40 to 50 grade crossings. In the 65 miles between West Palm Beach and Miami, there are 174. “It’s just real busy,” he told me. “The fatalities—this was just something I didn’t want to continue doing.”

During my trip, I met with Eric Dumbaugh, a professor of urban and regional planning at Florida Atlantic University who has lived in the area for most of his life. “Brightline is unique nationally,” he said. “It’s operating right through the urban fabric.”

“Fast trains and grade crossings are always a deadly combination,” the historian Richard White, whose 2011 book about American railroads was a Pulitzer Prize finalist, told me. He put it the most succinctly, but I did not talk with anybody who disagreed with that conclusion.

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wow, nice summary, thank you for doing that. I’m limited on keyboard time right now :wink:

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Yea the whole premise is challenging - high speed rail on old tracks that go through urban areas. If you look elsewhere in the world, I think typically the whole rail infrastructure is different, this amount of crossings is very unusual.

But there is also some level of ignorance to the fact that there is a high speed train operating in the area, and that train tracks are highly dangerous. Maybe locals are used to trains being infrequent and also slower in many of the areas. I’m thinking about the terrible accident a year ago where the train hit a fire truck in Delray. I believe the driver - a fireman - had simply decided to try and wiggle the fire truck through the closed gates, which imo tells that people really don’t understand this whole concept.

I think the track needs to be fenced off in dangerour areas, the crossings need to be made much more secured and in some cases they should do over/underpasses.

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I don’t know about everywhere but in Melbourne there was SO much signage you could not ignore it; they made sure ppl knew about the dangerous high-speed trains near all the crossings. We saw them and heard them frequently when we lived there.

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yeah, I make fun of FL man too, my step-dad that grew up in Miami called them ‘Flor-idiots’, but there is too much signage reporting high-speed transit AND the death toll numbers tell a different story. Shame on Brightline for blaming the victims.

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To give an idea of the statistical impact of “Florida Man”, you can look at auto fatality rates by states.

Deaths per 100 million vehicle miles for selected states in 2023:

  • MA 0.56
  • NJ 0.78
  • NY 0.93
  • OH 1.1
  • GA 1.28
  • FL 1.42
  • MS 1.79
  • US average 1.26

So you can estimate the Florida Man factor for recklessly fatal auto behavior as 1.42 / 1.26 (US avg) = ~ 1.13. It’s nowhere near enough to account for the statistical tsunami of BL fatalities.

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I’m not tracking here.

What’s the take away?

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To clarify:

Even though I spent 4 years in and out of St. Augustine, FL, I’ve never heard of this.

Totally agree though on not blaming the victim…

…where there’s smoke there’s fire…

A significant number of RR crossings in the US have no lift gates.

A high speed train with no gates = tragedy.

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Brightline has a HIGHER than normal death/kill rate and is blaming the victims instead of being responsible and owning their routes and fixing crossings to make them safer. Well….that’s my take away.
We were going to use BL to travel from Miami to Orlando but discovered that renting a car, one-way, was a third of the cost of BL… no brainer for us. We need the savings to help pay for the Disney price gouging (sp?) :zany_face:

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I’ll go further and say, Brightline likes to cloak themselves in “green” PR, hobnob with the Europeans at train conferences, etc. But they aren’t a benign, society-conscious company. They’re owned by a hedge fund, Fortress Investment Group, which is itself controlled by the UAE’s sovereign wealth fund. BL has ties to the trump administration with money being passed back forth through loans to Trump and grants to BL. IMO BL is close to being predatory capitalism: a company tries to make money by dumping the inherent problems/costs of its business model onto society.

I sometimes get pushback from BL defenders for being “anti-train”. I am very much pro-train, I am just not pro-Brightline, bc it kills way too many people. I have fond childhood memories of train travel in Europe, I took trains in Canada, I visit rail museums. I take Amtrak up and down the northeast corridor, it’s my fave way to travel in the region. And between Miami and Orlando a few times.

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I am no Brightline apologist. But, it is important to note that a MAJORITY of the deaths are not actually tied to traffic intersections. Not that the intersection problem shouldn’t be solved. But there are other complexities to the situation that results in vilifying Brightline perhaps more than should be done.

Regardless, the fact that Brightline was allowed to be built without having to create overpasses definitely seems like something the local and/or state governments should have addressed. I’m sure money played too much of a role circumventing that.

I get it. The United States has a horrible infrastructure for train service currently, so the hope of building new, high speed trains, seems like a start. But it needed to be handled way better in order for the LONG TERM viability of the model.

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We have used train travel a bit here in the EU, some of it pretty old but still operational. The UK system is fabulous. Public transportation is better in the EU.

We booked a sleeper berth from Belgrade to Bar. Very old but only 35 euro per person. Amtrak isn’t affordable.

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