I guess you’re new round here.
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It’s illegal, but it happens a lot. Because what’s it worth to the whistleblower?
Tipping is discriminatory and exceptionally inefficient at matching pay to performance, but I don’t take it out on individual servers.
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Not going to take the bait here - the custom and practice has been well established, and unless there are fundamental changes to the whole system then that is the way it will (and should) continue to be. Just because you don’t like the rules of the game doesn’t mean that you can play by your own.
I’d like to be considered a scumbag for reasons not related to tipping, and I think I’ve done a good job. 
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I guess I always waitresses in restaurants that only served beer and wine, and there was never a bartender. I don’t think I know the process at all if there is a bartender but all beer and wine were prepared by me (the same as any other drink). I guess I never thought about people not including that cost in the bill. I never separate it out as a diner.
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Bait? It’s a legitimate question. Why does serving a $100 bottle of wine attract a tip five times greater than serving a $20 bottle of wine. It’s the exact same job.
I’ve made it perfectly clear that I play by the rules.
Change comes when people question the status quo and other people think about those questions. QS staff are being criminally underpaid compared with TS staff for no logical reason. It’s incredibly unfair and I genuinely struggle to understand why this is not more widely challenged. “That’s the way we’ve always done it” is the last refuge of the tyrant.
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You have. You’re a monster.
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I think the reason it doesn’t happen this way is that the business would have to pay a fairly large percentage of the increased charge in taxes.
I mean I suppose they could change the tax laws, but that conversation is definitely over my head.
Kind of a win for the states though as they’d tax that money twice.
Again, this is just me guessing. Taxation is murky and oblique. It’s over my head.
This is quite silly, because you’re not American. Any time a server hears your accent, they will assume you aren’t going to tip because you’re foreign. 
You could just pretend you don’t understand that you’re supposed to tip.
That’s quite the money saver. I might try that next time.
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Thank you. Is it because I like primeval whirl?
I’ve yet to try Primeval Whirl but I’m not opposed to doing so in principle, so it’s not that, no.
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My argument is not “That’s the way we’ve always done it”, my argument is “that’s the way it currently is”. Until the whole system is fundamentally changed then we have to play by the rules as they are. I do not dispute that there are unfair/arbitrary aspects of it.
No it’s not, and you know it isn’t. It’s just a crude reductionist argument; you are not tipping on specific components of your meal based on the server’s effort for each one, you are tipping on the full experience of having a nice dinner at a nice restaurant.
It really is. There is no reason in logic or fairness why there is such a huge disparity in tip between me having a salad and a soda, compared with me having a fillet steak and bottle of Dom Perignon. The server gets a huge premium simply because I’ve spent more money.
It’s actually quite socialist. It’s direct redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor, without the money even passing through the hands of the state first.
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I am trying to not cut anyone off but I think we will be shutting this thread down. That decision is not based on any posts but more on the fact that this feels like it is an unproductive argument?
I apologize to anyone that feels I shouldn’t lock it.
I see typing and I am trying to wait so you can post!
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I’ve seen reputable people come down on both sides of this.
So…we could check with Disney. I happen to have a receipt from Tiffins that they ran before applying our DDP.
Subtotal before tax: $477
18% gratuity (party of 6): $77
$77 is not 18% of $477. $77 is 18% of $428. And…we spent $49 on wine and mixed drinks. Ta da! Disney doesn’t charge gratuity on alcohol, at least from this random sample of 1. YMMV.
So, apparently Disney doesn’t feel we need to tip on alcohol. At least at Tiffins in 1/10/20. And when in Rome…
From a practical standpoint, my husband and I typically tip on total bill of food + drink, including individually ordered drinks, unless we are ordering unusually high priced alcohol (ex a celebratory bottle of wine or aged scotch).
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I think the problem with people discussions is that an assumed course of action for people who find that the tipping system is bad would be not tipping, which most people here, regardless of how they feel about tipping, agree that it would be harming the wait staff, which would be a bad thing.
But I think everyone here agrees that you should tip the standard amount because that is how the system is set up? And we only disagree o whether this is a good or bad system, but no one here is defending not tipping as a solution.
I like the cruise system in which you pre-pay for service and that includes all your tips for the entire cruise. I also enjoy restaurants that are not explicitly no-tips. Is there any place like that onsite? Or in Orlando?
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