I haven’t done a full calculation myself but from what I’ve seen, usually not. The reason being that the question is “what is the incremental cost of skipping the line,” not what is the cost of riding. The second question is different for everyone depending on their ticket type so it’s hard to compare.
Maybe put more cynically: admission is just the cost of entry. You aren’t guaranteed any actual rides.
But then Disney math: if you ride enough things standby in an amount equal to what you would have paid for skip the line service, does that render your park ticket essentially free?
To me, it seems like those who are MOST LIKELY to pay for LLPP are not those who really feel the need to do an exhaustive analysis of the value. Rather, they are those for whom money is not something they need to be so concerned with. (Not necessarily “money is no object”, but that spending extra isn’t something that breaks the bank.)
It isn’t for folks like myself who changes his own oil in his car to save money, etc.
Thing is…there are definitely enough people who go to Disney where this is going to be the case. We all know Disney trips aren’t cheap…so the number of people who go who are under the category of upper middle class to downright wealthy is likely higher than other vacation destinations, including UOR.
I personally think Disney will sell enough of this (once they refine the price points) that they can start looking at dropping LLMP if they so choose.
We can hypothetically calculate value here on these forums…but I suspect that if you are…you aren’t likely the target clientele of this pass.
I’d like to see one of these vloggers do a compare and contrast…pick a day at HS thats a 7/10 crowd level and have one do LLMP/LLSP and the other LLPP and see what total output and total time is
It blows my mind that there are people who stay at the deluxe resorts. How do they have so much money? How do they justify the enormous extra cost compared with a budget or even a moderate? Is GF really that much nicer than CSR?
Nonetheless these people exist in sufficient numbers that Disney built RR and the new Poly tower.
We live in a grotesquely unequal society. And there’s plenty doing very well thank you for whom the LLPP presents no real challenge to their finances.
If you knew how many VIP tours take place on any given day, it would blow your mind.
I do because of DVC…But i wouldnt otherwise…Location/transportation are the most important thing to me in a Disney hotel and thats why BLT, Beachclub and Riviera are my 3 favs
Same. And…we bought DVC resale, at two of the cheapest resorts to have DVC points at.
I figure that, if you factor in point cost over the life of the contract, plus annual dues, I’m paying about $13 per point. That means about $150 for a studio stay, and maybe $300 for a 1-bedroom. That’s pretty close to paying Value prices.
Prior to DVC, though, we stayed off property, renting a home.
You know what’s even WORSE? Are those who make multiple trips to Disney a year from overseas!!
You beat me to it @ryan1
Although it doesn’t blow my mind as such. I’m just jealous ‘cos I can only manage once every 3-4 years.
those who make multiple trips to Disney a year from overseas
Which is only possible because I stay at budget resorts! Wouldn’t everyone prefer to go three times a year but staying in a budget (sorry, value) than only once and staying at the Poly?
Also, I was smart enough not to have children. They are insanely expensive and the return on investment is poor.
I paid $99 per point in BLT for resale…prices have come in recently, but just a few months ago they were selling for $175pp in the market
So you also have the cap appreciation aspect of it
Also, I was smart enough not to have children. They are insanely expensive and the return on investment is poor.
True. The resale value ain’t what it used to be.
They are insanely expensive and the return on investment is poor.
You’re not wrong.
resale value ain’t what it used to be.
There used to be a resale value?!?!? 🫎 I missed out, apparently.
It blows my mind that there are people who stay at the deluxe resorts. How do they have so much money? How do they justify the enormous extra cost compared with a budget or even a moderate? Is GF really that much nicer than CSR?
There are definitely super wealthy people out there but I can bet a good chunk of the people staying at the Deluxe Resorts are either not paying full price or are getting it comped/tax deducted in some way. Most of the conferences run at/around WDW take place in the Deluxe Resorts and even I was shocked the other day at how staggering the difference between rack rates and convention pricing is. There’s also a pretty significant price difference between the (comparably) affordable Deluxes such as Wilderness vs the extremely expensive, i.e. GF
A little tangential, but my take on deluxe:
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I wanted extra hours at AK (yes, a little weird, but I didn’t want to gamble that a 6pm close would get full Tree of Life Awakenings).
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I highly prefer interior corridors (especially during hurricane season). I made an exception for Poly, but that was April.
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Hot tubs and slides - which are available in moderates, for sure, but not value. (That said, I was happily pleased by one night at ASMo, although I think we would have felt super cramped if we spent the whole time there, with 4 per the smaller room.)
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Not going as often. 2018 we got very deep discounts from a specialty travel agency for YC/BC, AKL (also had CR garden wing). 2023 rented DVC points. This upcoming semi-spontaneous trip is a split stay - Priceline Express Deal (for a moderate, although I had hoped for AKL) plus rented DVC listing. My max is around $400 / 4 people spaces.
I 100% will pay more (up to a certain point) for AKL for the animals, or Poly for the atmosphere and transit (although not as much more as they usually want - it just turned out that 2 Poly studios were the same / cheaper than a 2 bedroom, with more separated sleeping spots).
ETA: to bring it back on topic - if a deluxe room were $600 instead of $400 but included LLPP for everyone in the room, that would basically make LLPP just a little more expensive than LLMP/SP, but locked in for all days of the vacation. I would have to run the numbers holistically, but it’s similar to looking at the deluxe at Universal… I don’t really think Disney would do that (maybe for CL only, but does that really need an incentive?).
maybe for CL only, but does that really need an incentive?
There is club level availability tomorrow night at every resort that offers it…at the fall discount rate.
Don’t have DVC but have timeshare that can be exchanged with Interval to get DVC so we have started at Saratoga a couple times, with another booked in January.
Also did a “splurge” trip that my mom paid for where we stayed at Boardwalk, paid for by my mom’s inheritance from my Grandma. (So we just say Grandna paid for it) …she also partially paid for 2 nights at AKL because we always wanted to stay there.
Otherwise - I’m perfectly fine staying at a Value Resort or off-property. I have done a moderate twice - but that was during Covid times when prices were lower.
That means about $150 for a studio stay,
My calculations for my completed stays on DVC points is an average of $232 a night. That includes five nights in a 2 bedroom at Hilton Head. I figured comparable costs where I would have stayed (value and mods) would have been $300 a night (including Aulani and that 2 bedroom).
So agree DVC is a totally different game.
Most of the conferences run at/around WDW take place in the Deluxe Resorts and even I was shocked the other day at how staggering the difference between rack rates and convention pricing is.
Great point! BWI and BC conference rates recently are roughly $320 to $340. Not value prices but closer to CSR tower.
For everyone saying this is too expensive, the firs three days of pricing at MK are:
10/30: $329
10/31: $359
11/1: $379
That’s a $50 increase already. Makes me wonder if Disney will quickly increase the $429 maximum they stated when LLPP was first announced. I
t may be too expensive for most of us, but for such a sudden increase, someone out there is buying this (and I doubt its just the bloggers testing it out that’s doing all the buying!)