I think Disney has to find them AFTER the fact, not before.
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Or start tracking a owner and then get them at next booking.
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I wouldnât be surprised to see them start by identifying owners who have > 500 points and have made more than 15 reservations in the last year, and then seeing if thereâs a pattern of potential renting.
And the majority will likely be LLCs and they can investigate them for really obvious breaches.
The vast majority of owners probably have fewer than 200 x 300 points. Of those who have more, there will be some who rent out half in order to pay their dues. In practice that 20+ reservations will probably be the trigger to start an investigation - just as it always has been!
I think theyâve added some other examples in to be able to go after any LLCs, including brokers, who are clearly making a business out of DVC. So they donât have to solely rely on counting reservations. That wording about the total number of points owned across different entities means some are going to get caught where they are involved with multiple LLCs & so on, where previously it was too vague.
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I donât have anything meaningful to add to this very fascinating discussion, but Iâll just say that if @JJT can find an All-Star deal on Priceline, Iâm sure Disney can figure out who is booking 1,000 1-night reservations at Poly. 
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I just booked one night at the Poly! 
But itâs an add-on to our already booked trip to try out the tower.
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I was just about to comment âwhy do they book so many 1-night staysâ? And then you answered for me! 
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Is it possible that Disney sees the formerly niche DVC rental businesses growing and plans to start their own rental apparatus, to capture and profit from the âoccasionalâ need rentals themselves?
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I would be hard pressed to see how they could do this legally though.
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How would this be different from their cash villa rooms?
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And almost all of them the value rooms 
I assume because they can get the best margain - fewer points but roughly the same cost per room.
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Very good point!
I know there are companies that award rooms to their employees as rewarda. But I assume their patterns of booking look very different than the commercial renters. I assumed some of the overlap language had to do with this difference.
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People already complain that Disney is allowed to do this because of their cash bookings for villas and call them the âlargest commercial renter or DVCâ. But FL actually requires this so the resort has some skin in the game so it feels a bit different.
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If there was a way to sell unused points back to DVC for either say $10 pp or the value of the maintenance fees, I wonder how popular that would be?
As an example, DS has a trip booked for late summer. If they cancelled, we could bank the current points but the banked points would expire at the end of the use year.
I could rent those points out. Would that be risky if it was most of that yearâs points (with the majority wording)? I donât know.
I could perhaps use them for a very last minute trip to DLP (you canât do that in the last 4 months of a use year, so it would be very tight).
But if I rented some out and then was able to sell the rest back to DVC, that would save me a bit of hassle. Iâd probably go for it if it was an option.
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This was the side of the equation I was wondering about- Disney offering support for non commercial renting as a service to owners, that also happens to create a pipeline for people interested in exploring DVC resorts.
Could Disney legally have a platform to either pay owners for points the owners prefer to rent to others (what the brokers do) or run an exchange platform where people can rent points to some vetted group of folks â other owners? Disney+ members, D23 members?
Iâm not an owner; have rented points from three of the brokers without problems and curious about how the business models work.
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I think DVC would just sell those points as one time use points.
I donât really see how DVC operating a rental scheme would work. It would compete directly with the Disney owned points that they use to sell to the public.
Plus it turns DVC into a broker.
And if owners want more points DVC will happily sell them an add-on contract. Thereâs no incentive for them to undercut themselves.
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I agree that I donât think that this is something that DVC would have any interest in wading into. I think it would only happen if their brand was being tarnished as a side effect of a poorly run external market. (Which it is not.) The example that comes to my mind is Major League Baseball adding safe tocket brokerage services but that was mostly because of huge scalper/scammer problems that made average people leery of buying tickets. But even now they are threatening to eliminate season ticket holders that donât attend âa majorityâ of games.
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As a non-DVC member trying to rent from one of the sites for the first time (vs buying a confirmed reservation), I am noticing a difference between the process on the sites. The rental store seems to be sending requests out to a pool of owners who have points to rent, so after a request I am waiting to see if someone picks up the rental and secures it for me. This has led to a frustrating few days and no result as each reservation I request loses availability. I notice that the shop site requests payment upfront for a requested reservation. I wonder if that is because they are pulling from their own huge supply of points and book it immediately? Or are they doing the same thing but just want rentersâ money upfront? The first model seems more kosher so Iâve been trying to stick to rental store. However I am seeing the benefit of more certainty with just taking confirmed reservations (or booking much further out!).
I booked my sonâs honeymoon through Davidâs. I was able to submit a request prior to 11 months with a deposit. I had the reservation at the 11 month opening. When I rented out points on the DVC Rental Store site I could have them match me (but they told me to borrow points for a match) or I could pick up a posted request.
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What does this mean?
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